Remember, crazy people don’t need guns…

June 10th, 2008

…to go on killing sprees:

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  • 1. capper  |  June 10th, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    True, but just imagine how much worse it would have been if the crazed man had a gun. It is not unreasonable to presume that the number of casualties would have been significantly higher.

  • 2. Kate  |  June 10th, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    And perhaps if one of the bystanders had a gun, perhaps fewer would have been killed. Just a thought.

  • 3. capper  |  June 10th, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    Kate, logic would dictate that if a bystander had a gun, then the perpetrator would be able to have a gun, again causing greater mayhem. This holds even greater if the bystander was one shot and killed, or was a normal citizen panicking in the situation. Common sense, old girl, common sense.

  • 4. Chris  |  June 10th, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    common sense is Kate you should just stand there and not defend yourself and get stabbed.

    Right Capper

    Hell trying to talk to people like Capper when it comes to the right to defend ones self is a waste of time Kate.

    So bystander pulls gun and shoots bad guy thats bad how?

  • 5. Kate  |  June 11th, 2008 at 5:40 am

    Common sense = defenseless?

    Sorry, capper, I don’t quite catch the connection.

  • 6. capper  |  June 11th, 2008 at 6:30 am

    One can be without a firearm and not be defenseless, unless that one is a sheep that cannot think for itself.

    There are many, many ways to defend oneself without being a contributor to the problem.

  • 7. Kate  |  June 11th, 2008 at 7:24 am

    I don’t mean to be rude, but what are you going to do? Have a chat with a guy wielding a machete? I don’t know about you, but getting that close to a person with a sharp pointy thing doesn’t seem quite conducive to continued good health. :/

  • 8. capper  |  June 11th, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    I don’t know Kate. I usually don’t walk up to people carry machetes. I pay attention to my surroundings, and don’t take stupid risks.

    But a quick google showed millions of sites for self defense, including one for women that even an ol’ broad can do.

  • 9. Kate  |  June 11th, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    Criminy capper, sometimes you could be in a group of folks, downtown, paying attention to your surroundings, and out of nowhere, a raving lunatic comes at you, and others, with a very sharp pointy thing…..

    In my current physical condition, the only defense I do have now is a gun. :? Annoying, lemme tell ya.

  • 10. capper  |  June 11th, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Then I feel sorry for you. Did you know that:

    In 1998, for every time a woman used a handgun to kill in self-defense, 101 women were murdered with a handgun.

    In 1998, for every time a woman used a handgun to kill an intimate acquaintance in self-defense, 83 woman were murdered by an intimate acquaintance with a handgun.

    and, In 1998, for every time a woman used a handgun to kill a stranger in self-defense, 302 woman were murdered with a handgun.

    I guess you’ve been buying into the myths of the NRA.

  • 11. Kate  |  June 11th, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    How many of those women murdered had some sort of defense? I didn’t read that anywhere.

    What those stats prove is that there are a lot of murderous men running around out there, with no self control. Not saying much good about your gender, is it.

  • 12. capper  |  June 11th, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    That whistling sound was the point going over your head.

    You’re more apt to get killed by a gun than to successfully defend yourself. Especially if you’re so dang old (which I doubt), you wouldn’t be able to draw it fast enough to matter.

    False security is nothing to stake your life on.

  • 13. Kate  |  June 11th, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    No, I caught the point, just wondered if there was any info, which, I take there isn’t?

    You’d be surprised how old… :/ Once you get past a certain age, things start to fall apart. sigh…

    I’ve come to the conclusion this is going to be another one of those subjects where we agree to disagree. :)

  • 14. capper  |  June 11th, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    Once you get past a certain age, things start to fall apart. sigh…

    I’m not that old, but still feel it in my bones some days.

    Reckon you’re right on the agree to disagree, but one interesting thing. I did something on frr about guns, and the latest commenter (besides me) had an interesting point:

    I’ve felt for a long time that the firearms argument comes down to people not fully understanding different situations in America. Urban people don’t understand the role of guns in the lives of people in more rural areas. Rural people and urban gun lovers don’t understand that most urban / suburban people have no use or need to carry a gun. In the rare instance where they’re going to get mugged or shot, they aren’t going to have time to pull out the gun. The vast majority of private gun use in a large city is by criminals, and they prefer to catch people by surprise or to shoot at each other.
    Scott H | 06.11.08 – 11:25 am

  • 15. elliot  |  June 12th, 2008 at 5:00 am

    I read that comment on your blog, Cap, and two thoughts occured to me:

    1.) The first bullet doesn’t always kill you.

    2.) How hard must it be to just lie there bleeding and know you can’t do anything but take the second bullet?

    Let’s say you could completely rid the world of guns. Then somehow remove all the sharp and blunt objects of the world. What you would be left with is the physically strong dominating the physically weak. Guns and knifes didn’t create crime, violence, and aggression. But what guns do is level the playing field for the less strong. There is a reason why people love the line “God created man, Sam Colt made them equal.”

    In the end, both you and Kate want the world to be a safer place. Your gut tells you that it’s safer when there are fewer tools around for people to hurt each other with. Her heart tells her that people hurt each other even without tools and that, as a physically weaker person, she needs every advantage she can get.

    The reason these arguments usually get so ugly is that what Kate wants (the right to keep and bear arms for self defense) makes you feel less safe and what you want (no guns for anyone) makes her feel completely defenseless – so even though you both want exactly the same outcome, the way you would each go about it will never be acceptable to the other.

    (That said, I’d like to thank you guys for keeping the actual argument so civil. It’s the kind of discussion I like around here.) ;)

  • 16. Chris  |  June 12th, 2008 at 6:02 am

    Elliot makes a very good point a hand gun in the hands of a 100lb woman who knows what she is doing with it makes her equal to a 250lb man if she needs to defend herself.

    Capper always uses the excuse that if we allow people to carry guns everyone one will turn into dirty harry even though that has not happen in any of the states that allow it.

    What Capper you think it is a silly law that is stopping us from shooting up the town.

    Its funny my guess is while Capper does not trust us to be safe law abiding gun owners I bet you he has not problem trusting teenage girls to make the choice to have an abortion.

    and you are wrong Elliot Capper does not “No Guns for Anyone” I am sure he is totally down with the “State” having weapons so they can use that power to make us do what they want, as long as they are pushing liberal ways down our throats.

    We really need to take Capper shooting and show him that guns are not magical beasts with minds of their own. Then maybe he will realize in the hands of a safe gun owner they are a useful self defense tool.

  • 17. capper  |  June 12th, 2008 at 6:21 am

    Actually, I own two shotguns and a .22 rifle. I also have access to me dear old dad’s arsenal including another two shotguns, a 30.06, a M-1 carbine (with banana clip), and another .22. My now deceased neighbor, who was in the army, was amazed at my skill at shooting.

    But it is the thought of hotheads like Chris walking around armed that does scare the bejebus out of me.

    I’m not out to disarm the world, even if that was a feasible thing, which, of course, it’s not. But I have seen too many things in my life to know the folly of false security, which many people get with a gun.

    There are just too many stories of people being careless with their weapons and people being shot accidentally for me to believe it would be a boon to the public safety.

  • 18. capper  |  June 12th, 2008 at 6:26 am

    Another thought…

    I served four years at the Milwaukee County House of Correction. I worked with women who were very petite. I’ve also worked with women that were what some might have called “middle-aged”. They both could take care of themselves, without a gun (guns are illegal in correction facilities, for the most part).

    And a sidenote to Chris:

    Don’t make wild assumptions about people you don’t know. It makes you look kind of dumb. ;)

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