John Edwards a communist?

January 31st, 2008

In the speech Democratic candidate John Edwards gave as he left the presidential race, viagra sales salve he said:

And more importantly, buy cialis ampoule they have pledged to me that as President of the United States they will make ending poverty and economic inequality central to their Presidency. This is the cause of my life and I now have their commitment to engage in this cause.

The only economic system I’ve ever heard of that tried to achieve “economic equality” was communism, and we all saw how well that worked out.

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  • 1. Tony Iovino  |  January 31st, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    What does the end of poverty look like?

    John Edwards concluded his Presidential campaign yesterday, but not before securing pledges from Obama and Clinton that they would make the ending of poverty central to their presidential campaigns.

    Regardless the road we choose to take, be it a conservative path or a liberal one– at what point will we consider people out of poverty? Can somebody tell me. Not platitudes like “when every person is living in dignity and without fear” or some other claptrap. I can’t measure that, and unless we figure out how to achieve some communistic land of perfection, where everyone is robotically equal, we will always have different strata in society. The poor will always be with us.

    So, please somebody tell me– What does the end of poverty look like?

  • 2. John  |  January 31st, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    “The only economic system I‚Äôve ever heard of that tried to achieve ‚Äúeconomic equality‚Äù was communism, and we all saw how well that worked out.”

    Widen your horizons – you’ve forgotten about The New Deal. That worked out OK within our quasi-democracy/republic, despite what well-fed revisionists try to spin in the 21st century.

    Things don’t just “happen.” The Invisible Hand is definitely guided, for better or for worse. Lately, for worse.

  • 3. Elliot  |  January 31st, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    The last I looked the New Deal wasn’t about making everyone’s income equal.

    I think we can agree that there’s a difference between an economic safety net and the elimination of “economic inequality.”

  • 4. John  |  January 31st, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    “Making everyone’s income equal” is an oversimplification. “Narrowing the widening gap” is what Edwards is referring to. Sans New Deal, this nation would be a much different place in which to live (fortunately, the Reagan-Bush-Bush campaign for a return to the 20s hasn’t been completely successful.) To say otherwise is disingenuous. The New Deal provided much more than a “safety net” for those who might fall – it contained policies that LIFTED people who had no lower to go while – yes – taking a bit more form those who had it.

    The pivot point of American economic history – – and an era that the hard-Right wrinkle their nose at (see tripe like Jim Powell’s book, “FDR’s Folly.”)

  • 5. Lee  |  January 31st, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    It never fails to amaze me how quick neocons are to start calling anyone with a progressive approach a communist. I don’t think Edwards has ever said anything about everyone being equal. Even he is a pragmatist and knows that is not possible, or desirable.

    What does the elimination of poverty look like? Like this:
    -ever child in this country goes to bed with a full stomach and their medical needs met
    -every adult is able to provide for their family by working at a job with a fair wage and reasonable benefits
    -every adult has access to the medical care they need at a cost they can afford to pay
    -every elderly American is able to afford the medications they rely on without giving up other necessities of life

    Nothing in there about everyone being equal, except in the ability to provide basic necessities of life.

  • 6. Elliot  |  February 1st, 2008 at 7:10 am

    I’m not a neocon. I’m more of a Libertarian. And the phrase used by Edwards was: “ending poverty and economic inequality.” How do you “end” economic inequality without making everyone economically equal?

  • 7. John  |  February 1st, 2008 at 9:31 am

    I’m inferring something here, but I’m willing to bet that Edwards does not refer to the sort of economic equality where everyone has the same bankroll. He means economic equality in a LEVEL PLAYING FIELD for rich and poor.

    You think the playing field is level now? I certainly don’t.

  • 8. Elliot  |  February 1st, 2008 at 10:52 am

    I can only respond to what the man said, John.

    And, in fact, I do think the economic playing field is more equal here than it is any where else on earth.

    And so do the 11 million folks who are here illegally.

  • 9. Elliot  |  February 1st, 2008 at 12:02 pm

    I’m not trying to be disingenuous, John. I heard Edwards say this on NPR and, while I agree he probably didn’t actually mean what he said, I think saying it (and running a presidential campaign on it) was dangerous and demagogic.

    You’re talking to a guy who was born into the bottom of America’s working class. The first home I can remember was government housing. But I was offered the same opportunities everyone else in America was offered: free public education, financial aid for college, and a free market economy that let me discover what I was good at and and offer my services on the open market.

    Some people might look at my income and possessions and say it’s all evidence that we need more economic “equality.”

    But I know my accomplishments are proof that we already have a system that presents people with amazing opportunities and almost no limits. Could it be better? What couldn’t? But I’m not convinced the changes folks like Edwards would advocate won’t make it worse.

  • 10. John  |  February 1st, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    “I‚Äôm not trying to be disingenuous, John.”

    ?

    Your headline asks: “John Edwards a Communist?”

    Did you SINCERELY wonder whether Edwards might be a Communist? I doubt it. “Disingenuous” isn’t a dirty word in the world of blog headlines. Who’s gonna click on a headline like “I think John Edwards may have leanings toward economic justice for all”?

    “But I know my accomplishments are proof that we already have a system that presents people with amazing opportunities and almost no limits.”

    So true. And if you track the mechanisms for the opportunities you and I availed ourselves to in order to exceed the reach of our parents and grandparents, you’ll find policies that today’s movement conservatives call “socialistic.”

    As you know, we can’t all be born on third base.

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