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• 1. Chris  |  October 14th, 2007 at 10:14 pm

  

  But what if you need to know where the nuclear device is really really bad and in a hurry?

  I am firm believe it is not how many fingers you break its what you do with the ones you break.

  You should never rule out any tactic before or during a war. You never know when circumstances just might force you to do things you thought were way out of bounds.

• 2. Elliot  |  October 15th, 2007 at 5:16 am

  

  I understand the reasoning, Chris.

  But I don’t remember John Wayne torturing folks. We’re supposed to be the good guys.

• 3. Chris  |  October 15th, 2007 at 6:22 am

  

  I really do not believe in “good” guys any more either you fight to win or you lose it is that simple.

  I think that is part of Americas problem our enemies know we will fight them with one hand tied behind our backs and we tied our selves up. I think it we stopped trying to fight wars with rules books and used the total war mind set more often our wars would be much shorter. We have tried to fight the whole war in Iraq worrying about how the rest of the world saw us and guess what they still hate us. We might as well really fight the war and win then let them hate us.

  We work too hard to avoid civilian deaths or worry about the ‘rights” of our enemies. Despite what you see in the movies our grandfathers in WW2 really didnt worry all that much about German or Japanese rights in WW2

  They fought to win.

  And remember John Wayne never was in a real war.

• 4. grumps  |  October 15th, 2007 at 9:00 am

  

  Did anyone catch the magnificent irony of Dana Perino decrying detention without charges in Myanmar?

  That’s what happens when you piss away your moral authority.

  Rather than calling this a sop to liberals let’s call it one for the Christians. Or the patriots. Or the believers in the Constitution.

• 5. Elliot  |  October 15th, 2007 at 9:33 am

  

  Wasn’t meant as a “sop”, Grumps. Just wanted to balance the blog a little with opinions I don’t express as often.

• 6. Nick  |  October 15th, 2007 at 9:36 am

  

  Chris, I fully agree with you. It’s perfectly acceptable to torture terrorists for that kind of hearing.

  The problem is that I have zero faith in the government to correctly identify who is and who is not a terrorist, such that I’d be willing to allow them to torture someone without so much as a habeus corpus hearing.

  I’ve already pointed out several cases where we incorrectly identified someone as a terrorist, and whisked them away to Jordan for toture, only to find out later we goofed.

• 7. The Asian Badger  |  October 15th, 2007 at 10:04 am

  

  Why torture people when you can just waterboard ’em?

• 8. Nick  |  October 15th, 2007 at 11:28 am

  

  Let me rephrase… I have zero faith in our government to correclty identify someone as a terrorist, and therefore hold them without hearing for an indefinite period of time, no matter what you do to them while in custody.

• 9. Chris  |  October 15th, 2007 at 12:01 pm

  

  zero faith Nick come even the CIA is right some of the time.

  Yes Mistakes will be made even the Mossad kills the wrong person some times but they are right a lot more than they are wrong.

  We do not live in a perfect world and we are fighting a barbaric enemy we have to accept that sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

• 10. BobG  |  October 15th, 2007 at 12:25 pm

  

  It only works when Jack Bauer does it…

• 11. Nick  |  October 15th, 2007 at 1:18 pm

  

  That’s assuming that you’ll never be identified as a potential terrorist…

• 12. Chris  |  October 15th, 2007 at 1:58 pm

  

  I am not all that worried about it Nick what can I say.

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