Doesn’t this undermine their argument?

November 5th, 2007

Doesn’t voluntarily undergoing waterboarding in an attempt to demonstrate that it’s torture undermine the claim that it is torture?

I mean, buy cialis sildenafil if it really were really torture would anyone do it to themselves just to prove a point?

For example, here I can’t imagine anyone voluntarily allowing himself to be branded with burning irons, cialis have glass rods inserted into his penis and broken, or allow electrodes to be attached to his genitals to prove a point.

My inclination is to consider waterboarding torture and disallow it in interrogations, but this stunt actually makes me less likely to look at the technique as prohibitively inhumane.

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  • 1. Chris  |  November 5th, 2007 at 3:29 pm

    I wonder if they still water board people when they are going through SERE(Survive Evade Resist Escape) school in the military?

    Back in the 80’s that was the worst part of SERE school if you were an aviator or aircrew the chance you might get water boarded but funny no one ever died from it.

    If they want to impress me have some one demonstrate what a car battery and jumper cables hooked to their genitalia feels like. Now that would actually be showing what torture feels like.

  • 2. folkbum  |  November 5th, 2007 at 6:34 pm

    I don’t think taking a dunk for a moment is necessarily torture. Having it done to you repeatedly, after being held in submissive posture for 48 hours, more likely is.

    Waterboarding has been prosecuted with US backing in international courts–as torture.

  • 3. Nick  |  November 9th, 2007 at 9:43 am

    Elliot… if you do something as a demonstration of what goes on… knowing you will be safe in the end… doesn’t that make a difference?

    Whereas if you are held by someone you consider an enemy, and have this done to you, will you be sure you will survive? Will you know you won’t be drowned? Doesn’t that change the nature of the interrogation?

  • 4. Elliot  |  November 9th, 2007 at 9:51 am

    I’m against torture, Nick. And I tend to view waterboarding as being over the line.

    But my original point stands, if you’re willing to let someone do it to you to prove that it IS torture, you’re actually undermining the point.

    Real torture is something no one would undergo voluntarily. I wouldn’t let someone pull out my fingernails or cut off my fingers even if I knew I could make them stop after the first one.

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