A liberal…

April 8th, 2010

…is someone who thinks the solution for bad government is more government.

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  • 1. grumps  |  April 9th, 2010 at 6:46 am

    No Elliott. A Liberal is someone who believes that the solution to bad government is to elect people who believe in good government instead of electing people who believe that there is no good government.

  • 2. BobG  |  April 9th, 2010 at 8:19 am

    Elliot had it right the first time. If the system is not working, it doesn’t matter who is in charge. People need to fix the machine, not look around for a better operator, who may or may not exist. A bunch of clueless people with rose colored glasses never solved anything.

    “I can remember way back when a liberal was one who was generous with his own money.”
    -Will Rogers

  • 3. Debunked  |  April 9th, 2010 at 9:12 am

    Please define “the machine.” The only thing I can think of that would be “the machine” of our government is the Constitution. Everything else is much more easily changed provided the right people are elected. Yet, the Constitution is probably the one thing that needs to be changed to eliminate the two-party system.

    “The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass from your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn’t work, and then they get elected and prove it.” – P.J. O’Rourke

    Well, lookie here. You aren’t the only one that can randomly quote people.

  • 4. BobG  |  April 9th, 2010 at 9:58 am

    That’s actually one of my favorite quotes; I dislike both parties so spare me the “Republican vs Democrat” twaddle.
    The Constitution was written with checks and balances. The problem is that the bureaucracy disregards it all the time. A lot of what is going on right now is not even in line with what is in the Constitution; it was designed to halter the federal government, not aid it.

    “Everything else is much more easily changed provided the right people are elected.”

    Sorry, but as a realist, I don’t believe in saviors or messiahs. Sitting around waiting for some snake oil salesman who claims to have all the answers is how people get scammed. If the right people were out there, they would have been elected by now. Any system is going to get a percentage of people who are unethical and will try to game the system. The problem is that there are too many voters with the same attitude, and they will elect people who give them what they want.

    What I see is more of a cultural problem than a political one; if you have a bunch of assholes voting, that’s what you get in office, not matter which party you follow.

  • 5. Debunked  |  April 9th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    Your presumption that the right people would already be elected if they were out there is flawed.

    The “right” people are the same people who are unable to get elected because they aren’t the people who will succumb to the corporatocracy we have today, and thus they don’t have the financial backing.

    The problem is that money is synonymous with votes.

  • 6. Billiam  |  April 9th, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    A rarity! I agree with Debunked’s last comment. Not many people of good character are willing to put up with the cesspool that politics has become.

    Bob, I am more inclined to blame ‘We the people’, as we’re the ones who continue to put up with Pols who ignore or twist The Constitution. We’re the ones who have allowed ourselves to become content with the scraps Gov’t bribes us with. Yes, this is a generalization, but I think it’s accurate. There will always be people who will do anything to avoid becoming a ward of the State. Conversely, the number of people who will learn to be content with being kept by the State, will grow if they know no other way.

  • 7. BobG  |  April 10th, 2010 at 10:37 am

    debunked: “The problem is that money is synonymous with votes.”
    Which is what I have been saying:
    “Any system is going to get a percentage of people who are unethical and will try to game the system. The problem is that there are too many voters with the same attitude, and they will elect people who give them what they want.”
    And explains the current POTUS; a bunch of voters are pandered to by someone promising them lots of stuff. And how do we get the stuff? By building more government. The Constitution has been ignored by them and the consequence is that we have a group of people who almost amount to an aristocracy running the country. The federal government has its fingers in too many places; it needs to be brought back under the rules by which it was established, which did not include a nanny state or a Big Brother.

  • 8. John Foust  |  April 10th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    Come now, show me a politician who didn’t promise more “stuff” in the form of prosperity, lower gas prices, more jobs, better education, etc.

    Again I ask for the plan. I don’t care which party gives it to me. Show me how you’re going to unravel this mess. Can you even begin to understand the enormity of the machine of the government of the USA, the century-old engines of corruption, the families and the patronage, the ever-hungry institutions and armies?

  • 9. BobG  |  April 10th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    Which is what I’ve been saying all along; the Constitution is fine, it’s the rest of the system that has gotten corrupted, bloated, and broken. Too much government. At this time all that could be done is to either start over (not a good option), or try paring away a bit at a time, which I don’t really think will work. Too many people are used to sucking at the government teat, something that should have been nipped years ago, before it could get to where it is today.
    Personally, I don’t think it is going to get much better, no matter who is elected.

  • 10. John Foust  |  April 10th, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    The Constitution is fine, but it led to a bloated system that can’t be fixed, and we can’t make any regulations or corrections because that would be against the Constitution.

    So which aspects of the government’s interference are you most accustomed to, BobG? Clean water? Roads? Public courts and police?

  • 11. BobG  |  April 11th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    “So which aspects of the government’s interference are you most accustomed to, BobG? Clean water? Roads? Public courts and police?”

    Sounds like you’re fond of straw men. I don’t remember saying I was against government, just that the federal government has exceeded its powers.
    We obviously have differences of outlook; I’m going to have to agree to disagree, since I doubt either one of us is going to change the other’s viewpoint.

  • 12. John Foust  |  April 11th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    No straw men. Just asking. Don’t use my examples. In your words, there are people “sucking at the government teat”. Who are they? What’s an example of government exceeding its powers?

  • 13. BobG  |  April 12th, 2010 at 8:08 am

    Like I said, I’m going to agree to disagree. We both have different viewpoints of the world that we have formed over the years from observation and experience. I doubt either one of us is going to convince the other person of their reasons, so I don’t really see a point in continuing a back-and-forth contest on a friend’s blog that is not really going to have a fruitful outcome, it reminds me too much of this. You have your opinion of things, I have mine.

  • 14. David Casper  |  April 12th, 2010 at 8:43 am

    Bob, before I even hovered over your link I had a strong feeling it was to XKCD. The specific comic makes it all the better.

  • 15. John Foust  |  April 13th, 2010 at 8:06 am

    Yes, that’s an old XKCD. It does explain a great deal of blogging behavior.

    Sure, we all have our own opinions, kumbaya, but I don’t think you should run from your assertions so easily. If we agree there’s fat in government and that we want to get rid of it, what’s so difficult about identifying it?

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